Quibble: God is plural! *stamps her little pagan foot*
Comment: I really wanted to click “Fuck you, you Godless bastard!” but I couldn’t bring myself to do it. 🙂 Quit being so tempting or you’ll prove Satan exists into the bargan. *grins*
The particular notion about God being addressed here is pointed squarely at the a kind of silly flaw in common beliefs about the traditional Judeo-Christian God, but if you like, I can try to think up a snarky little poll that puts pagan beliefs in the crosshairs, too. 🙂 It’ll be more difficult, since I’m much more sympathetic to pagan beliefs than I am to Judeo-Christian beliefs… 😀
Actually, i already know Satan exists. You see, I went to a friend’s wedding once, and at the rehearsal dinner, he introduced me to his extended family as Satan…”One day, we’ll look back on the wedding album and say ‘Oh, look, there’s Grandma being seated by Old Scratch himself!'”
The particular notion about God being addressed here is pointed squarely at the a kind of silly flaw in common beliefs about the traditional Judeo-Christian God, but if you like, I can try to think up a snarky little poll that puts pagan beliefs in the crosshairs, too. 🙂 It’ll be more difficult, since I’m much more sympathetic to pagan beliefs than I am to Judeo-Christian beliefs… 😀
If you do, please point it at the Jesus With Tits brigade, please. They need a reality check. Badly. If I hear another one of them going on about the Goddess I may just have to scream and tear my hair out. Or theirs. That would get fewer people mad at me.
Actually, i already know Satan exists. You see, I went to a friend’s wedding once, and at the rehearsal dinner, he introduced me to his extended family as Satan…”One day, we’ll look back on the wedding album and say ‘Oh, look, there’s Grandma being seated by Old Scratch himself!'”
*lol* I’ve heard of weddings being called hellish before, but isn’t that going just a *bit* overboard?
Quibble: God is plural! *stamps her little pagan foot*
Comment: I really wanted to click “Fuck you, you Godless bastard!” but I couldn’t bring myself to do it. 🙂 Quit being so tempting or you’ll prove Satan exists into the bargan. *grins*
The particular notion about God being addressed here is pointed squarely at the a kind of silly flaw in common beliefs about the traditional Judeo-Christian God, but if you like, I can try to think up a snarky little poll that puts pagan beliefs in the crosshairs, too. 🙂 It’ll be more difficult, since I’m much more sympathetic to pagan beliefs than I am to Judeo-Christian beliefs… 😀
Actually, i already know Satan exists. You see, I went to a friend’s wedding once, and at the rehearsal dinner, he introduced me to his extended family as Satan…”One day, we’ll look back on the wedding album and say ‘Oh, look, there’s Grandma being seated by Old Scratch himself!'”
The particular notion about God being addressed here is pointed squarely at the a kind of silly flaw in common beliefs about the traditional Judeo-Christian God, but if you like, I can try to think up a snarky little poll that puts pagan beliefs in the crosshairs, too. 🙂 It’ll be more difficult, since I’m much more sympathetic to pagan beliefs than I am to Judeo-Christian beliefs… 😀
If you do, please point it at the Jesus With Tits brigade, please. They need a reality check. Badly. If I hear another one of them going on about the Goddess I may just have to scream and tear my hair out. Or theirs. That would get fewer people mad at me.
Actually, i already know Satan exists. You see, I went to a friend’s wedding once, and at the rehearsal dinner, he introduced me to his extended family as Satan…”One day, we’ll look back on the wedding album and say ‘Oh, look, there’s Grandma being seated by Old Scratch himself!'”
*lol* I’ve heard of weddings being called hellish before, but isn’t that going just a *bit* overboard?
According to Religious Scientists, God is indeed perfect and infallible, and did indeed create man in his image (well, sorta – per religious science, Man was made by God, *OF* God, therefor man *IS* God to a certain degree… Man and God are made of the same substance of the universe… I could go on and on here).
Since Man and God are made of the same stuff, and God is perfect and infallible, Man is also perfect and infallible.
Then enters Free Will. Since Man has Free Will, he has the ability to choose whether he sees himself as perfect and infallible or imperfect and fallible. He has the ability to co-create his own life and the world immediately around him through his actions and his beliefs. If he sees himself as imperfect and fallible, he *IS* imperfect and fallible. If he sees himself as perfect and infallible, he *IS* perfect and infallible.
An example of this in the bible, taken in a metaphysical context is:
He who believes will be saved; but he who disbelieves will be condemned. (Mark 16:16)
“Believes”…. believes in what? In this case, I’m talking about believing in ones own perfection and infallibility.
“Saved”….. how so? I don’t think that Jesus was referring to anything after death when he said the above. I believe he was talking about the here and now, each and every day. To me, to be “saved” means to know the Truth, to live the Truth, to live the perfection and infallibility that is our birthright. In believing, we save ourselves, here and now.
“Condemned”…. again how so? Again, I’m don’t think that Jesus was referring to hell-fire and damnation. To be condemned is not an external thing, it is not something that someone else does to us, it is something we do to ourselves. In believing in our own imperfection and fallibility, we are condemned to live and imperfect and fallible life.
So…. following my argument out…
If one believes that God is perfect and infallible and man was created by God, *of* God, and therefor man is also perfect and infallible, and that person CHOOSES to BELIEVE this, then they live a perfect and infallible life, happy and productive…. they are, here on Earth, while they inhabit their bodies on this planet, *SAVED*.
If one believes that they are not perfect and infallible for some reason – i.e. God is not perfect and infallible; God did not create Man in his image; Man is not perfect and infallible – and that person CHOOSES to BELIEVE this, then they will live an imperfect and infallible life, full of unhappiness and discontent… they are, here on Earth, while they inhabit their bodies on this planet, *CONDEMNED*.
Hmm. That’s a fascinating theology, though I have some difficulty accepting the premise that man is flawed only because he thinks he’s flawed. I also don’t necessarily believe that happiness and infallability are related.
The world in which one lives is built not only out of that person’s beliefs and philosophies, but also out of the beliefs and philosophies of the people around him. I may believe that Iive in the best of all possible worlds, happy and productive, but then if someone else decides to drink and drive and run his car through my living room, or comes into my office with a handgun and a bad attitude, his imperfection and infallability intrude upon my life in a rather dramatic, and potentially catastrophic, way.
Well, I’ve been informed by several religious scientists that my explanation left a bit to be desired, but I think you got the basic premise of it, despite my fumbling.
I may believe that Iive in the best of all possible worlds, happy and productive, but then if someone else decides to drink and drive and run his car through my living room, or comes into my office with a handgun and a bad attitude, his imperfection and infallability intrude upon my life in a rather dramatic, and potentially catastrophic, way.
Yes, that’s true. Honestly, I can’t “explain away” that phenomenon. Some religious scientists would say that there was something in your consciousness that brought that particular catastrophe into your life. I’m not entirely sure I agree with that explanation. Others might say that the catastrophe happened because it was exactly what was meant to happen, in exactly that way, to bring about some change in your life and/or the life of the perpetrator. I’m not entirely sure I agree with that either.
It’s really up to each individual to decide what they believe about things like this. I, personally, like believing that people are basically good, and truly perfect. I like believing that when I make a “mistake”, it’s not actually a mistake, but something that needed to happen in order to facilitate change. I like believing that there is a higher power, but also believing that that higher power does not control my life except in response to my own wishes and desires.
According to Religious Scientists, God is indeed perfect and infallible, and did indeed create man in his image (well, sorta – per religious science, Man was made by God, *OF* God, therefor man *IS* God to a certain degree… Man and God are made of the same substance of the universe… I could go on and on here).
Since Man and God are made of the same stuff, and God is perfect and infallible, Man is also perfect and infallible.
Then enters Free Will. Since Man has Free Will, he has the ability to choose whether he sees himself as perfect and infallible or imperfect and fallible. He has the ability to co-create his own life and the world immediately around him through his actions and his beliefs. If he sees himself as imperfect and fallible, he *IS* imperfect and fallible. If he sees himself as perfect and infallible, he *IS* perfect and infallible.
An example of this in the bible, taken in a metaphysical context is:
He who believes will be saved; but he who disbelieves will be condemned. (Mark 16:16)
“Believes”…. believes in what? In this case, I’m talking about believing in ones own perfection and infallibility.
“Saved”….. how so? I don’t think that Jesus was referring to anything after death when he said the above. I believe he was talking about the here and now, each and every day. To me, to be “saved” means to know the Truth, to live the Truth, to live the perfection and infallibility that is our birthright. In believing, we save ourselves, here and now.
“Condemned”…. again how so? Again, I’m don’t think that Jesus was referring to hell-fire and damnation. To be condemned is not an external thing, it is not something that someone else does to us, it is something we do to ourselves. In believing in our own imperfection and fallibility, we are condemned to live and imperfect and fallible life.
So…. following my argument out…
If one believes that God is perfect and infallible and man was created by God, *of* God, and therefor man is also perfect and infallible, and that person CHOOSES to BELIEVE this, then they live a perfect and infallible life, happy and productive…. they are, here on Earth, while they inhabit their bodies on this planet, *SAVED*.
If one believes that they are not perfect and infallible for some reason – i.e. God is not perfect and infallible; God did not create Man in his image; Man is not perfect and infallible – and that person CHOOSES to BELIEVE this, then they will live an imperfect and infallible life, full of unhappiness and discontent… they are, here on Earth, while they inhabit their bodies on this planet, *CONDEMNED*.
Hmm. That’s a fascinating theology, though I have some difficulty accepting the premise that man is flawed only because he thinks he’s flawed. I also don’t necessarily believe that happiness and infallability are related.
The world in which one lives is built not only out of that person’s beliefs and philosophies, but also out of the beliefs and philosophies of the people around him. I may believe that Iive in the best of all possible worlds, happy and productive, but then if someone else decides to drink and drive and run his car through my living room, or comes into my office with a handgun and a bad attitude, his imperfection and infallability intrude upon my life in a rather dramatic, and potentially catastrophic, way.
Well, I’ve been informed by several religious scientists that my explanation left a bit to be desired, but I think you got the basic premise of it, despite my fumbling.
I may believe that Iive in the best of all possible worlds, happy and productive, but then if someone else decides to drink and drive and run his car through my living room, or comes into my office with a handgun and a bad attitude, his imperfection and infallability intrude upon my life in a rather dramatic, and potentially catastrophic, way.
Yes, that’s true. Honestly, I can’t “explain away” that phenomenon. Some religious scientists would say that there was something in your consciousness that brought that particular catastrophe into your life. I’m not entirely sure I agree with that explanation. Others might say that the catastrophe happened because it was exactly what was meant to happen, in exactly that way, to bring about some change in your life and/or the life of the perpetrator. I’m not entirely sure I agree with that either.
It’s really up to each individual to decide what they believe about things like this. I, personally, like believing that people are basically good, and truly perfect. I like believing that when I make a “mistake”, it’s not actually a mistake, but something that needed to happen in order to facilitate change. I like believing that there is a higher power, but also believing that that higher power does not control my life except in response to my own wishes and desires.
I’m afraid this poll is flawed. For it to be proper, you must define the subject of your questions. Namely, you must define “God” and “Man.”
(And I’m not suggesting you define “Woman;” I like my life)
“I’m afraid this poll is flawed.”
Yep; that’s the whole point! 🙂
I’m afraid this poll is flawed. For it to be proper, you must define the subject of your questions. Namely, you must define “God” and “Man.”
(And I’m not suggesting you define “Woman;” I like my life)
Quibble: God is plural! *stamps her little pagan foot*
Comment: I really wanted to click “Fuck you, you Godless bastard!” but I couldn’t bring myself to do it. 🙂 Quit being so tempting or you’ll prove Satan exists into the bargan. *grins*
The particular notion about God being addressed here is pointed squarely at the a kind of silly flaw in common beliefs about the traditional Judeo-Christian God, but if you like, I can try to think up a snarky little poll that puts pagan beliefs in the crosshairs, too. 🙂 It’ll be more difficult, since I’m much more sympathetic to pagan beliefs than I am to Judeo-Christian beliefs… 😀
Actually, i already know Satan exists. You see, I went to a friend’s wedding once, and at the rehearsal dinner, he introduced me to his extended family as Satan…”One day, we’ll look back on the wedding album and say ‘Oh, look, there’s Grandma being seated by Old Scratch himself!'”
The particular notion about God being addressed here is pointed squarely at the a kind of silly flaw in common beliefs about the traditional Judeo-Christian God, but if you like, I can try to think up a snarky little poll that puts pagan beliefs in the crosshairs, too. 🙂 It’ll be more difficult, since I’m much more sympathetic to pagan beliefs than I am to Judeo-Christian beliefs… 😀
If you do, please point it at the Jesus With Tits brigade, please. They need a reality check. Badly. If I hear another one of them going on about the Goddess I may just have to scream and tear my hair out. Or theirs. That would get fewer people mad at me.
Actually, i already know Satan exists. You see, I went to a friend’s wedding once, and at the rehearsal dinner, he introduced me to his extended family as Satan…”One day, we’ll look back on the wedding album and say ‘Oh, look, there’s Grandma being seated by Old Scratch himself!'”
*lol* I’ve heard of weddings being called hellish before, but isn’t that going just a *bit* overboard?
Well, Satan is generally described as being a charmer when necessary, so I don’t see a problem 🙂
(I don’t suppose you’re familiar with In Nomine the RPG?)
Quibble: God is plural! *stamps her little pagan foot*
Comment: I really wanted to click “Fuck you, you Godless bastard!” but I couldn’t bring myself to do it. 🙂 Quit being so tempting or you’ll prove Satan exists into the bargan. *grins*
“I’m afraid this poll is flawed.”
Yep; that’s the whole point! 🙂
The particular notion about God being addressed here is pointed squarely at the a kind of silly flaw in common beliefs about the traditional Judeo-Christian God, but if you like, I can try to think up a snarky little poll that puts pagan beliefs in the crosshairs, too. 🙂 It’ll be more difficult, since I’m much more sympathetic to pagan beliefs than I am to Judeo-Christian beliefs… 😀
Actually, i already know Satan exists. You see, I went to a friend’s wedding once, and at the rehearsal dinner, he introduced me to his extended family as Satan…”One day, we’ll look back on the wedding album and say ‘Oh, look, there’s Grandma being seated by Old Scratch himself!'”
The particular notion about God being addressed here is pointed squarely at the a kind of silly flaw in common beliefs about the traditional Judeo-Christian God, but if you like, I can try to think up a snarky little poll that puts pagan beliefs in the crosshairs, too. 🙂 It’ll be more difficult, since I’m much more sympathetic to pagan beliefs than I am to Judeo-Christian beliefs… 😀
If you do, please point it at the Jesus With Tits brigade, please. They need a reality check. Badly. If I hear another one of them going on about the Goddess I may just have to scream and tear my hair out. Or theirs. That would get fewer people mad at me.
Actually, i already know Satan exists. You see, I went to a friend’s wedding once, and at the rehearsal dinner, he introduced me to his extended family as Satan…”One day, we’ll look back on the wedding album and say ‘Oh, look, there’s Grandma being seated by Old Scratch himself!'”
*lol* I’ve heard of weddings being called hellish before, but isn’t that going just a *bit* overboard?
Well, Satan is generally described as being a charmer when necessary, so I don’t see a problem 🙂
(I don’t suppose you’re familiar with In Nomine the RPG?)
According to Religious Scientists, God is indeed perfect and infallible, and did indeed create man in his image (well, sorta – per religious science, Man was made by God, *OF* God, therefor man *IS* God to a certain degree… Man and God are made of the same substance of the universe… I could go on and on here).
Since Man and God are made of the same stuff, and God is perfect and infallible, Man is also perfect and infallible.
Then enters Free Will. Since Man has Free Will, he has the ability to choose whether he sees himself as perfect and infallible or imperfect and fallible. He has the ability to co-create his own life and the world immediately around him through his actions and his beliefs. If he sees himself as imperfect and fallible, he *IS* imperfect and fallible. If he sees himself as perfect and infallible, he *IS* perfect and infallible.
An example of this in the bible, taken in a metaphysical context is:
He who believes will be saved; but he who disbelieves will be condemned. (Mark 16:16)
“Believes”…. believes in what? In this case, I’m talking about believing in ones own perfection and infallibility.
“Saved”….. how so? I don’t think that Jesus was referring to anything after death when he said the above. I believe he was talking about the here and now, each and every day. To me, to be “saved” means to know the Truth, to live the Truth, to live the perfection and infallibility that is our birthright. In believing, we save ourselves, here and now.
“Condemned”…. again how so? Again, I’m don’t think that Jesus was referring to hell-fire and damnation. To be condemned is not an external thing, it is not something that someone else does to us, it is something we do to ourselves. In believing in our own imperfection and fallibility, we are condemned to live and imperfect and fallible life.
So…. following my argument out…
If one believes that God is perfect and infallible and man was created by God, *of* God, and therefor man is also perfect and infallible, and that person CHOOSES to BELIEVE this, then they live a perfect and infallible life, happy and productive…. they are, here on Earth, while they inhabit their bodies on this planet, *SAVED*.
If one believes that they are not perfect and infallible for some reason – i.e. God is not perfect and infallible; God did not create Man in his image; Man is not perfect and infallible – and that person CHOOSES to BELIEVE this, then they will live an imperfect and infallible life, full of unhappiness and discontent… they are, here on Earth, while they inhabit their bodies on this planet, *CONDEMNED*.
Hmm. That’s a fascinating theology, though I have some difficulty accepting the premise that man is flawed only because he thinks he’s flawed. I also don’t necessarily believe that happiness and infallability are related.
The world in which one lives is built not only out of that person’s beliefs and philosophies, but also out of the beliefs and philosophies of the people around him. I may believe that Iive in the best of all possible worlds, happy and productive, but then if someone else decides to drink and drive and run his car through my living room, or comes into my office with a handgun and a bad attitude, his imperfection and infallability intrude upon my life in a rather dramatic, and potentially catastrophic, way.
Well, I’ve been informed by several religious scientists that my explanation left a bit to be desired, but I think you got the basic premise of it, despite my fumbling.
I may believe that Iive in the best of all possible worlds, happy and productive, but then if someone else decides to drink and drive and run his car through my living room, or comes into my office with a handgun and a bad attitude, his imperfection and infallability intrude upon my life in a rather dramatic, and potentially catastrophic, way.
Yes, that’s true. Honestly, I can’t “explain away” that phenomenon. Some religious scientists would say that there was something in your consciousness that brought that particular catastrophe into your life. I’m not entirely sure I agree with that explanation. Others might say that the catastrophe happened because it was exactly what was meant to happen, in exactly that way, to bring about some change in your life and/or the life of the perpetrator. I’m not entirely sure I agree with that either.
It’s really up to each individual to decide what they believe about things like this. I, personally, like believing that people are basically good, and truly perfect. I like believing that when I make a “mistake”, it’s not actually a mistake, but something that needed to happen in order to facilitate change. I like believing that there is a higher power, but also believing that that higher power does not control my life except in response to my own wishes and desires.
According to Religious Scientists, God is indeed perfect and infallible, and did indeed create man in his image (well, sorta – per religious science, Man was made by God, *OF* God, therefor man *IS* God to a certain degree… Man and God are made of the same substance of the universe… I could go on and on here).
Since Man and God are made of the same stuff, and God is perfect and infallible, Man is also perfect and infallible.
Then enters Free Will. Since Man has Free Will, he has the ability to choose whether he sees himself as perfect and infallible or imperfect and fallible. He has the ability to co-create his own life and the world immediately around him through his actions and his beliefs. If he sees himself as imperfect and fallible, he *IS* imperfect and fallible. If he sees himself as perfect and infallible, he *IS* perfect and infallible.
An example of this in the bible, taken in a metaphysical context is:
He who believes will be saved; but he who disbelieves will be condemned. (Mark 16:16)
“Believes”…. believes in what? In this case, I’m talking about believing in ones own perfection and infallibility.
“Saved”….. how so? I don’t think that Jesus was referring to anything after death when he said the above. I believe he was talking about the here and now, each and every day. To me, to be “saved” means to know the Truth, to live the Truth, to live the perfection and infallibility that is our birthright. In believing, we save ourselves, here and now.
“Condemned”…. again how so? Again, I’m don’t think that Jesus was referring to hell-fire and damnation. To be condemned is not an external thing, it is not something that someone else does to us, it is something we do to ourselves. In believing in our own imperfection and fallibility, we are condemned to live and imperfect and fallible life.
So…. following my argument out…
If one believes that God is perfect and infallible and man was created by God, *of* God, and therefor man is also perfect and infallible, and that person CHOOSES to BELIEVE this, then they live a perfect and infallible life, happy and productive…. they are, here on Earth, while they inhabit their bodies on this planet, *SAVED*.
If one believes that they are not perfect and infallible for some reason – i.e. God is not perfect and infallible; God did not create Man in his image; Man is not perfect and infallible – and that person CHOOSES to BELIEVE this, then they will live an imperfect and infallible life, full of unhappiness and discontent… they are, here on Earth, while they inhabit their bodies on this planet, *CONDEMNED*.
Hmm. That’s a fascinating theology, though I have some difficulty accepting the premise that man is flawed only because he thinks he’s flawed. I also don’t necessarily believe that happiness and infallability are related.
The world in which one lives is built not only out of that person’s beliefs and philosophies, but also out of the beliefs and philosophies of the people around him. I may believe that Iive in the best of all possible worlds, happy and productive, but then if someone else decides to drink and drive and run his car through my living room, or comes into my office with a handgun and a bad attitude, his imperfection and infallability intrude upon my life in a rather dramatic, and potentially catastrophic, way.
Well, I’ve been informed by several religious scientists that my explanation left a bit to be desired, but I think you got the basic premise of it, despite my fumbling.
I may believe that Iive in the best of all possible worlds, happy and productive, but then if someone else decides to drink and drive and run his car through my living room, or comes into my office with a handgun and a bad attitude, his imperfection and infallability intrude upon my life in a rather dramatic, and potentially catastrophic, way.
Yes, that’s true. Honestly, I can’t “explain away” that phenomenon. Some religious scientists would say that there was something in your consciousness that brought that particular catastrophe into your life. I’m not entirely sure I agree with that explanation. Others might say that the catastrophe happened because it was exactly what was meant to happen, in exactly that way, to bring about some change in your life and/or the life of the perpetrator. I’m not entirely sure I agree with that either.
It’s really up to each individual to decide what they believe about things like this. I, personally, like believing that people are basically good, and truly perfect. I like believing that when I make a “mistake”, it’s not actually a mistake, but something that needed to happen in order to facilitate change. I like believing that there is a higher power, but also believing that that higher power does not control my life except in response to my own wishes and desires.