My dear fellow liberals: PLEASE stop being know-nothing dumbasses

A short while ago, CNN published an explosive story about a group of men coordinating with each other on Telegram and porn sites in what CNN calls an “online rape academy,” exchanging tips and techniques to drug their wves and then rape them or invite others to rape them. These men exchanged photos of their wives being raped along with adivce on drugging them.

Horrifying stuff. Decent people all over the internet are reacting with shock and sorrow and rage. As they should.

And yet…and yet…a lot of folks in social justice communities are doing what folks in social justice communities do, getting so worked up into a towering inferno of rage that they behave like the most ignorant MAGA dumbasses they deride, spouting absolute rubbish that is not only not true but cannot possibly be true, and of course shouting down anyone who tries to correct them.

Folks, don’t do this.

Yes, a large group of men did this. Yes, it’s abhorrent. No, it was not 62 million men. If you’re one of the countless people taking to the Great Online to scream your moral outrage that sixty-two million men could do such a horriffic thing, you are being a dumbass, you do not care about truth, and you are playing into the hands of conservatives who wish to mock, ridicule, and ultimately trivialize moral atrocity.

This is a trend I’ve noticed in social justice communities in North America over the last decade or so: moral outrage first, fact-checking later, truth never.

So let’s take a look at the CNN article and figure out where this “62 million men” idea comes from, shall we?

Here it is, in black and white:

Now, yes, this is poorly written (shame on the CNN editors!) and could have been much clearer. So, in the interests of fact and truth, let me spell this out clearly:

There is a site called Motherless. It gets about 62 million visits a month.

On this site was a group of people posting rape content.

That does not mean 62 million people were visiting rape content per month. C’mon. If you’re screaming outrage on the internet, you should know how the internet works.

There is a site called Reddit. It gets about 394 million visitors a month. If someone creates a subreddit called “How to Torture Kittens,” that does not mean that 394 million people a month visit that subreddit. It does not mean 394 million people a month want to learn how to torture cats.

Motherless, like Reddit, is huge. Motherless, like Reddit, has communities of people with different interests. Motherless calls them “groups,” Reddit calls them “subreddits.” Nobody visits every single Motherless group, just like nobody visits every single Reddit subreddit.

I thought this was obvious. Apparently it is not.

Yes, this Motherless group is horrific. Yes, any number of men visiting such a group is too many.

Truth. Matters.

Truth fucking matters. Going into hysterical screeds about “62 million men visiting a r@pe academy” makes those of us who care about social justice look like dumbasses. It makes us look like hypocrites when we insist on fact-checking conservatives. “Hahaha lookit these dumbass liberals, always saying ‘facts this’ and ‘fact-check that’ but when it’s their side they don’t give a shit about facts, LOL.”

It allows social conservatives to weaponize our own insistence on truth and facts against us. It allows people to ridicule and dismiss what we say. “ROFL these liberals, yapping about a ‘r@pe academy’ but they don’t even understand how the internet works, you can’t believe anything SJWs say.”

There can be no justice without truth. The truth is that 62 million men did not visit this Motherless group.

If you think I’m trying to trivialize this horror, you’re dead wrong. There can be no justice without truth. It gets right up my fucking nose when social justice liberals insist on facts and reason when we address the other side, then do the same things we accuse the other side of doing: playing fast and loose with reality in order to score cheap emotional points.

Yes, I know that the CNN article is ambiguous. I see how people acting in good faith reasonably came to the conclusion that 62 million men wanted to learn how to drug and assault their wives. But that’s not what happened, and now that you know that’s not what happened, if you continue to claim that’s what happened, you’re practicing accountability for thee but not for me. We are all accountable to the truth. There can be no justice without truth.

My fellow liberals, do better.

I started down this rabbit hole when I saw a comment on Facebook, where someone had posted about how “62 million men want to r@pe their wives” and then flew into a rage when someone else left a comment basically saying “I wish people would fact check, that number is not correct.” I switched over to my mobile browser to read the original CNN article and when I switched back,t hat post had scrolled off my Facebook feed.

If you’re pissed off about being corrected over something like this, you are the reason so many conservatives view us like this:

You may not see yourself in this meme, you may sincerely believe this meme doesn’t describe you, but other people see it.

If you expect the other side to listen to facts when you fact-check them, then you damn well have to be willing to listen and accept accountability when someone fact-checks you.

Do better. Be better. Facts matter. There can be no justice without truth. We do not win a culture war with the cheap emotional tools of the other side.

Anyone coming into the comments to try to excuse or justify deliberate factual misstatements or to argue that it’s okay to say things that aren’t true because our outrage is pure and our cause is just or that insisting on facts is the same thing as “defending rape” will be blocked permanently and without hesitation.

9 thoughts on “My dear fellow liberals: PLEASE stop being know-nothing dumbasses

  1. If that many men were raping their wives, STIs would be the most common cause of death. More common than cancer. More common than gun homicides. More common than dementia. More common than heart attacks. More common than stroke.

    • I don’t follow your reasoning. The article stated the core audience was in the United States. Even HIV isn’t a fatal illness anymore in the US. Perhaps an epidemic of STIs would arise, but not necessarily fatalities.
      Of course the problem is real, but I don’t agree with you. I do agree with Franklin that facts matter.

  2. Yea I find many Liberals often only care about virtue signaling and then goes around looking for people who even disagrees just a little, while conservatives most the time don’t do this. They compromise and if you even see a little bit of their point, they don’t act aggressively. I’ve been blocked by more liberals on Quora than conservatives for this reason. I can’t even disagree about gun control (I personally think it’s a distraction, it doesn’t solve anything except give more reason for the police to arrest minorities unjustly) while agreeing with just about everything else about liberals without being called nasty names, cancelled, or even get informed on by one of them.

    It explains why Liberals can’t seem to work as a united front unless Democrat politicians act Republican to get conservative swing voters to vote for them. It also explains why there seems to be a ratcheting effect towards the right in US politics.

  3. How many men visiting this site and participating is enough to be outraged? Ten, 500, one million, ten million, 62 million? Rape culture is awful, be on the right side of history.

    • Any number of people is too many.

      But here’s the thing: 62 million people is, to most folks, just “a big number.” People have no idea how many “62 million” is. It’s just “blah blah blah big.”

      So, let’s put it into perspective. 62 million is more than one-third of the entire adult male population of the United States. If someone says “a third of the men in the United States is going to a site to learn how to drug and rape their wives,” you’d instantly know that’s nonsense.

      Tat’s the danger of spouting nonsense: people say “oh, that’s nonsense” and then go on their way without a second thought, having completely dismissed the problem you’re concerned about. You do not get people on your side by telling obvious, laughable, ludicrous lies. You do not solve real problems without getting people on your side. By lying, *you make it less likely that something will be done.*

  4. You are correct about the damage this does to any cause. I’m not a social justice warrior but I find this behavior dangerous coming from either side of the spectrum because history has shown this kind of outrage to be dangerous.

    There have been several times in history where outrage motivated social change for the better (e.g. the Civil Rights movement), but that outrage was based on factual instances was based on facts and by-and-large not overstated. Misdirected rage, based in part on misinformation often leads to a societal overreaction (e.g. internment of Japanese-Americans citizens during World War II).

  5. Firstly, “62 million visits” does not equate to 62 million people, men or otherwise. It doesn’t account for the fact that some, possibly many visited more than once, maybe many times. This was not explained in the post.
    Further, as you point out, Mr. Veaux, The site has a lot of different material material in subgroups, however they call them. It may be that 2 people visited that subgroup 100 times each, and maybe one or a few people visited just out of curiosity and then turned away revulsed. We simply don’t know from the facts at hand.
    Lastly, odd that I can’t post this comment without disabling my VPN.

  6. I saw a Facebook post about this yesterday. The thing that disturbs me more that the misrepresentation of how many men visited the “rape school,” (though less than the fact that there was a “rape school” visited by many men), is that the author of the Facebook post said that because this “rape school” existed, Section 230 of the Communications Act, the rule that protects web hosts from being sued out of existence, the rule that basically protects free speech on the internet, should be abolished. This is scary stuff, that people see a problem and then go after the wrong target. Something like this “rape school” should absolutely be shut down and not allowed to exist, but not by shutting down the ability to host third party content for all but the biggest web hosts (eg Facebook).

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