Ganked from various places on my friends list. First up, this charming little gem, where a woman asks for the divine blessings of the all-powerful, supreme creator of the Universe upon her PowerPoint presentation, because Satan wants to screw it up:
Look, lady, if you actually had the direct, immediate, and personal attention of Satan, I rather think you’d have bigger problems than PowerPoint crashing. Read the book of Job.
Next up: Evangelical Christians teach young children to worship idols of George W. Bush:
I’m reasonably sure the ancient Israelites wrote something about idol worship. What was it again? I forget. No matter; at least when you worship an idol, you’re praying over something you can actually see and feel and touch, which is three benefits over worshipping an invisible abstract thing up in the sky somewhere…
Yeah, Jodi and I watched “Jesus Camp” this weekend. It’s creepy. Worth a download, though. Er, I mean, you should buy a copy from your friendly neighborhood MPAA store.
I do want to see it. Legally, of course. Without, y’know, using your handy download link, which, if I wasn’t going to watch it, y’know, legally, I would thank you for. š
DeKalb County Library has it, too (but not Fulton). You should be able to get it fairly soon, but you might have to wait in line.
Yeah, Jodi and I watched “Jesus Camp” this weekend. It’s creepy. Worth a download, though. Er, I mean, you should buy a copy from your friendly neighborhood MPAA store.
Fundamentalism: the notion that an all-seeing, all-knowing, all-powerful, Universe-spanning Creator of All is interested in whether or not I’m kissing a guy or a girl. . .
We see from religious tradition that God is obsessed with sex. We also see from religious tradition that God is male, because AIDS is God’s retribution on the wicked, and it’s almost impossible for lesbians to transmit HIV. Hence, clearly, God is a fan of the girl-on-girl action, and therefore, God must be a man.
QED.
Fundamentalism: the notion that an all-seeing, all-knowing, all-powerful, Universe-spanning Creator of All is interested in whether or not I’m kissing a guy or a girl. . .
Oh, look! An American madrasah.
It is so good to see the children being brought up with strong values. After all, if they were a bunch of godless heathens and degenerate libertines without proper respect for authority, it would mean that the terrorists had won.
Wait…
You know, just by saying that, you are helping the terrorists win. Did you think about that?
Oh, look! An American madrasah.
It is so good to see the children being brought up with strong values. After all, if they were a bunch of godless heathens and degenerate libertines without proper respect for authority, it would mean that the terrorists had won.
Wait…
“We pray to be covered with the blood of Jesus.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_B%C3%A1thory
And did that woman in the second video say “Let’s do some warfare over him.”?
Wow. Great link!
“We pray to be covered with the blood of Jesus.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_B%C3%A1thory
And did that woman in the second video say “Let’s do some warfare over him.”?
I’m scared.
I’m scared.
I’ve got a copy of Jesus Camp if you’re interested. I can upload it to you if you give me an FTP location or whatever, or I can burn it to disc and send it your way.
By the way, these excerpts are fairly representative of the entire movie. It’s genuinely scary stuff. These kids don’t stand a chance of developing into sane, rational adults, and it’s tragic.
I’d love to see that, but I don’t have an ftp location to give you š Guess I’ll have to come over and watch it sometime!
Works for me! I’ve put it on Gir, so anywhere you’re likely to see me I’ll have it. Maybe we can watch it at Game Night or some such?
I actually have it on my netflix list, if you can burn me a copy, that would be cool, then I can release the slot….. I was curious, I will probably be frightened, but I still want to see it. I have blank DVD’s.
You may want to keep it in your queue, since what I have is an .AVI of the movie itself with none of the DVD’s extras (which I hear are worthwhile). Either way I’ll be happy to burn it for you the next time I see you. It’ll fit on a 700 MB CD.
Errrr…
I politely disagree.
— Chip, former fundamentalist.
If you actually experienced this level of indoctrination as a child then I cheerfully retract my statement. š
I’d be very interested in hearing about your experiences. I was raised Catholic, and continued to self-identify as such (to widely varying degrees of devoutness) until just a few years ago. I even went to a religious summer camp a couple of years, but it was nothing even remotely like Jesus Camp.
*grin* I wrote about my religious experiences here and here, and my review of Jesus Camp was here.
In brief: I was not as indoctrinated as the children in the movie: my parents were not Christian. However, I went to a Fundamentalist Christian junior high and high school for five years, and I willingly (heck, eagerly), drank the Kool-Aid. I was a Creationist, a Fundamentalist, and hard-core Christian for about seven years. (I lead my campus Bible Study for two years.)
I’ve changed lots and lots since then. I now think that Fundamentalists are extremely misguided, but I cannot think of them as evil.
Interesting reading!
While my original “they don’t stand a chance” statement was perhaps too strongly worded, my concern for these kids remains. They’re being beaten over the head with this worldview before they have a chance to really develop critical thinking skills and the ability to intelligently question the belief system that permiates their world.
Additionally, their home schooling seems to be done largely as an isolationist measure, preventing them from even being aware that there are other worldviews. If you’re raised being told that the US is a Christian nation under attack from non-Christian elements then questioning becomes not just anti-religious but also unpatriotic. It also facilitates dehumanizing non-Christians, promotes the overtly militaristic attitude that seems evident here, and gives the children the sense that legislating their values and imposing them as law for the entire country is a right and proper thing to do.
I now think that Fundamentalists are extremely misguided, but I cannot think of them as evil.
I don’t disagree with you, and I’m loathe to bring classifications of “evil” into such conversations as it tends to oversimplify things into a false dichotomy. I’ve known many, many Christians who are wonderful, kind, and good people. However, it should be noted that much of what we define as “evil” in the world is just a function of people being extremely misguided. The lunatic who slaughters his neighbor because he’s convinced that she’s pregnant with the antichrist is doing a tremendous good in his mind, as are Bin Laden’s followers (note how artfully I step around any potential Godwin violations!).
Likewise, the solutions aren’t clear. Bringing it back to Jesus Camp, while I think that these guys are twisting their kids I’m not opposed to homeschooling as an institution, and I have strong moral objections to the government mandating any particular message, even if it happens to be one with which I agree. While still tragic, it’s better to allow a small segment of the population to screw up their kids than to introduce the possibility of the government corrupting an entire generation.
Waitta minute.
I’m in Tacit’s LiveJournal.
He knew me when I was in the ending phases of my fundamentalist phase.
That was also the time when I realized that the world was a much more interesting, and far broader, place than I once thought…
Let me see what I can do. There’s a Torrent link up there as well.
I’ve got a copy of Jesus Camp if you’re interested. I can upload it to you if you give me an FTP location or whatever, or I can burn it to disc and send it your way.
By the way, these excerpts are fairly representative of the entire movie. It’s genuinely scary stuff. These kids don’t stand a chance of developing into sane, rational adults, and it’s tragic.
Wow, I haven’t felt this frightened since … hmm … scary movies don’t frighten me, I’m not afraid of after-life punishment … I can’t remember the last time I was actually this frightened!
And speaking as an audio and video technician, I can assure you that Satan has nothing to do with microphones and powerpoint presentations not working. If your mic cuts out, chances are the audio tech is an idiot and ran a bad cable that he didn’t test first.
I’m not so sure. as a former pro av nerd and a current amature audio dweeb, sometimes the supernatural *is* the only explaination.
Whether the individual studying the problem is *able* to explain it or not, the problem is *always* explainable by the laws of science, and when it comes to audio and video technology, it’s usually something pretty simple. 17 years in the business and I every single time someone thought there was no explanation, either I or someone more knowledgeable was able to pinpoint the problem … every time.
Wow, I haven’t felt this frightened since … hmm … scary movies don’t frighten me, I’m not afraid of after-life punishment … I can’t remember the last time I was actually this frightened!
And speaking as an audio and video technician, I can assure you that Satan has nothing to do with microphones and powerpoint presentations not working. If your mic cuts out, chances are the audio tech is an idiot and ran a bad cable that he didn’t test first.
Oh I’m so gonna have fun with this.
Oh I’m so gonna have fun with this.
I’m not so sure. as a former pro av nerd and a current amature audio dweeb, sometimes the supernatural *is* the only explaination.
Do get Jesus Camp, the source of the vids. The
Outed FlamerReverend Ted Haggard is featured.Next: Go to the extras. Watch him turn to the camera and “improvise” a little something that, upon retrospect, must have been happening in his life at the time the film was being shot. Most revealing.
If you’re referring to the “I know what you did last night!” part, I’m pretty sure it’s in the main feature. And yeah, it was creepy before the scandal, and now is just funny.
Bouncing Teddy Haggard is also featured in the Richard Dawkins miniseries The Root of All Evil?, and I could not stop laughing during those bits.
You know he’s been cured now, right? He underwent a three-week homosexuality deprogramming session, and now his homosexuality is completely gone. No, really. He loves women now. And he loves men too, but only, you know, in that Biblically-accepted man-love way. He loves men Biblically, but the good kind of Biblically, not the bad kind of Biblically where you get blasted on crystal meth and do the deed with male prostitutes, hypothetically speaking. Jesus don’t do crystal meth!
(Snork)
I just typed “the root of all evil” in the Netflix search to put in on my queue, and got this page.
Ted Haggard, Taggart. . . coincidence? I think not. . . .
Do get Jesus Camp, the source of the vids. The
Outed FlamerReverend Ted Haggard is featured.Next: Go to the extras. Watch him turn to the camera and “improvise” a little something that, upon retrospect, must have been happening in his life at the time the film was being shot. Most revealing.
Whether the individual studying the problem is *able* to explain it or not, the problem is *always* explainable by the laws of science, and when it comes to audio and video technology, it’s usually something pretty simple. 17 years in the business and I every single time someone thought there was no explanation, either I or someone more knowledgeable was able to pinpoint the problem … every time.
I’d love to see that, but I don’t have an ftp location to give you š Guess I’ll have to come over and watch it sometime!
Is the woman in the second video speaking in tongues?
They do a lot of that at Jesus Camp. I wonder why people never put “Tongues” on their resume as a second language?
There’s a comedy skit in there somewhere. Someone calls up tech support and gets the main menu:
“For assistance in English, press one.
Para ayuda en Espanol, prensa dos.
For assistance in Tongues, Aaabebeboliidiaaaa!!!”
Is the woman in the second video speaking in tongues?
I actually have it on my netflix list, if you can burn me a copy, that would be cool, then I can release the slot….. I was curious, I will probably be frightened, but I still want to see it. I have blank DVD’s.
re: creepy fundies
ayuh
re: creepy fundies
ayuh
Errrr…
I politely disagree.
— Chip, former fundamentalist.
Works for me! I’ve put it on Gir, so anywhere you’re likely to see me I’ll have it. Maybe we can watch it at Game Night or some such?
You may want to keep it in your queue, since what I have is an .AVI of the movie itself with none of the DVD’s extras (which I hear are worthwhile). Either way I’ll be happy to burn it for you the next time I see you. It’ll fit on a 700 MB CD.
If you actually experienced this level of indoctrination as a child then I cheerfully retract my statement. š
I’d be very interested in hearing about your experiences. I was raised Catholic, and continued to self-identify as such (to widely varying degrees of devoutness) until just a few years ago. I even went to a religious summer camp a couple of years, but it was nothing even remotely like Jesus Camp.
If you’re referring to the “I know what you did last night!” part, I’m pretty sure it’s in the main feature. And yeah, it was creepy before the scandal, and now is just funny.
They do a lot of that at Jesus Camp. I wonder why people never put “Tongues” on their resume as a second language?
There’s a comedy skit in there somewhere. Someone calls up tech support and gets the main menu:
“For assistance in English, press one.
Para ayuda en Espanol, prensa dos.
For assistance in Tongues, Aaabebeboliidiaaaa!!!”
*grin* I wrote about my religious experiences here and here, and my review of Jesus Camp was here.
In brief: I was not as indoctrinated as the children in the movie: my parents were not Christian. However, I went to a Fundamentalist Christian junior high and high school for five years, and I willingly (heck, eagerly), drank the Kool-Aid. I was a Creationist, a Fundamentalist, and hard-core Christian for about seven years. (I lead my campus Bible Study for two years.)
I’ve changed lots and lots since then. I now think that Fundamentalists are extremely misguided, but I cannot think of them as evil.
Waitta minute.
I’m in Tacit’s LiveJournal.
He knew me when I was in the ending phases of my fundamentalist phase.
That was also the time when I realized that the world was a much more interesting, and far broader, place than I once thought…
Interesting reading!
While my original “they don’t stand a chance” statement was perhaps too strongly worded, my concern for these kids remains. They’re being beaten over the head with this worldview before they have a chance to really develop critical thinking skills and the ability to intelligently question the belief system that permiates their world.
Additionally, their home schooling seems to be done largely as an isolationist measure, preventing them from even being aware that there are other worldviews. If you’re raised being told that the US is a Christian nation under attack from non-Christian elements then questioning becomes not just anti-religious but also unpatriotic. It also facilitates dehumanizing non-Christians, promotes the overtly militaristic attitude that seems evident here, and gives the children the sense that legislating their values and imposing them as law for the entire country is a right and proper thing to do.
I now think that Fundamentalists are extremely misguided, but I cannot think of them as evil.
I don’t disagree with you, and I’m loathe to bring classifications of “evil” into such conversations as it tends to oversimplify things into a false dichotomy. I’ve known many, many Christians who are wonderful, kind, and good people. However, it should be noted that much of what we define as “evil” in the world is just a function of people being extremely misguided. The lunatic who slaughters his neighbor because he’s convinced that she’s pregnant with the antichrist is doing a tremendous good in his mind, as are Bin Laden’s followers (note how artfully I step around any potential Godwin violations!).
Likewise, the solutions aren’t clear. Bringing it back to Jesus Camp, while I think that these guys are twisting their kids I’m not opposed to homeschooling as an institution, and I have strong moral objections to the government mandating any particular message, even if it happens to be one with which I agree. While still tragic, it’s better to allow a small segment of the population to screw up their kids than to introduce the possibility of the government corrupting an entire generation.
I do want to see it. Legally, of course. Without, y’know, using your handy download link, which, if I wasn’t going to watch it, y’know, legally, I would thank you for. š
We see from religious tradition that God is obsessed with sex. We also see from religious tradition that God is male, because AIDS is God’s retribution on the wicked, and it’s almost impossible for lesbians to transmit HIV. Hence, clearly, God is a fan of the girl-on-girl action, and therefore, God must be a man.
QED.
You know, just by saying that, you are helping the terrorists win. Did you think about that?
Wow. Great link!
Let me see what I can do. There’s a Torrent link up there as well.
Bouncing Teddy Haggard is also featured in the Richard Dawkins miniseries The Root of All Evil?, and I could not stop laughing during those bits.
You know he’s been cured now, right? He underwent a three-week homosexuality deprogramming session, and now his homosexuality is completely gone. No, really. He loves women now. And he loves men too, but only, you know, in that Biblically-accepted man-love way. He loves men Biblically, but the good kind of Biblically, not the bad kind of Biblically where you get blasted on crystal meth and do the deed with male prostitutes, hypothetically speaking. Jesus don’t do crystal meth!
DeKalb County Library has it, too (but not Fulton). You should be able to get it fairly soon, but you might have to wait in line.
(Snork)
I just typed “the root of all evil” in the Netflix search to put in on my queue, and got this page.
Ted Haggard, Taggart. . . coincidence? I think not. . . .
The most frightening movie I have ever seen…
I shit you not. Freddy or Jason are not even in the running. This is the scarriest movie I have ever seen.
Tom
The most frightening movie I have ever seen…
I shit you not. Freddy or Jason are not even in the running. This is the scarriest movie I have ever seen.
Tom