Another day, another massive Web hack by the Zlob gang

I blame the_xtina for the fact that I discovered this evening what appears to be a large, coordinated, and widespread attack on multiple Web hosting providers.

I hadn’t actually intended to do any computer security stuff today; my plans for the evening involved playing WoW. the_xtina speculated during an IM conversation this evening about the existence of Viking porn, so naturally I did a Google search, and got rather more than I expected.

A Google search for “viking porn” turns up a few hits with a Google “this site may harm your computer” tag. Both of the first two I looked at–because I can’t stay away from the “this site may harm your computer” tag–had a couple of interesting things in common: they were hosted on iPower Web, the notoriously insecure Web host I’ve written about on several occasions in the past; both had malicious redirection files in a directory named /backup/, both used a complex series of traffic redirectors before ending up at the malware site proper, and both were heavily seeded throughout Google using a very large number of popular pornographic and non-pornographic keywords.

In other words, all the hallmarks of the Russian Zlob gang. God, how I hate those people.

I widened the Google search using both common keywords (like “porn”) and keywords I know the Zlob gang favors, and specifying inurl:/backup/ as part of the search.

What I ended up with was a VERY long list of compromised Web sites, each with a directory named /backup/ containing large numbers of files stuffed full of keywords and each of which redirects through a series of redirectors to a site that attempts a drive-by malware download.


The compromised Web sites I found–and I do elieve that these redirectors are the result of automated Web site compromises–are located on a wide variety of Web hosts in and out of the US, not just on iPower (though as per usual, iPower is hosting a bunch of them–those guys couldn’t secure a paper bag with duct tape and titanium plating).

There appears to be no common trend to the compromised sites. Some of them are running content management software; some of them aren’t. Some of them are hosting blog software; some of them aren’t. Some of them are hosting forum software; some of them are not. whatever technique is being used to hack these sites, it isn’t confined to one package, one script, one vulnerability, or one Web host.

A sampling of sites that have been compromised includes:
*** WARNING *** WARNING *** WARNING ***
ALL of the URLs in the following list are active as of the time of this writing. All of these URLs redirect to sites that WILL attempt to download a computer virus onto your computer. DO NOT visit these URLs if you don’t know what you’re doing.

http://www.monty.sk/editor/filemanager/themes/default/css/_notes/backup/map.html

http://solucoesmusicais.hostmach.com.br/phpform/forms/_backup/backup/ladies-cartier-santos.html

http://metroehost.com/suspended.page/backup/map.html

http://skylimit2.com/backup/large-titted-mature-women.html

http://www.penumada.com/backup/viking-sewing-machine-rockford-illinois.html

http://paradiseislost.com/aspnet_client/system_web/1_1_4322/backup/map.html

http://www.optimizemypage.com/test/apacheasp/backup/big-dick-galleries.html

http://griffeth9.com/formbuilder/web/forms/backup/10-best-honeymoons.html

http://www.schwindelfrei.info/projekt/naturheil/inhalt/_notes/backup/like-my-free-paysite.html

http://www.mgms.de/livingxchange/xstone/material/presse/backup/lara-craft-hentai-games.html

http://www.hvdv.de/spielwiese/joomla/components/com_contact/views/category/tmpl/backup/used-car-carthage-texas.html

http://www.nhadausa.com/backup/celebrity-crush-fetish.html

http://www.milnepaye.com/backup/tinni-sex-clip.html

http://www.koplowitz.net/2007/New_Folder/backup/elf-sex-porn.html

http://solucoesmusicais.hostmach.com.br/phpform/forms/_backup/backup/ladies-cartier-santos.html

http://www.knowingthis.com/backup/14-17-nude.html

http://wavesidechurch.com/dnn/Providers/HtmlEditorProviders/Fck/FCKeditor/editor/_source/backup/reverse-cowgirl-position.html


In each case, there are multiple redirectors per compromised host; the /backup/ directory you see in each of these URLs contains many files, each of which is tuned to a different set or type of Google keyword search and each of which redirects to malicious servers.

All of these sites redirect in the same way (using obfuscated JavaScript) to the same URL:

http://wholostkate.com/go.php?sid=3&tds-k=[url of redirector]&sref=

The Web site at wholostkate.com in turn redirects to one of several target destination sites, which vary depending on the user agent of the user’s Web browser. Most often, it redirects to

http://www.datingactionnow.com/getlaidtonight/

which in turn redirects to

http://www.xxxblackbook.com/?s=register&rand=1&ard=7152&r=lc147655&p_id=18664866

Occasionally, however, wholostkate.com redirects to one of:

http://allvirusscannow.com (a phony antivirus site that tries to download malware disguised as fake antivirus software)

http://94.75.228.0/ (not currently loading for me)

http://yourbestway.cn/in.cgi?4 (which in turn redirects to one of several sites, including http://netsecurityaudit.com/index.php?affid=20700 — another phony antivirus site that tries to download malware disguised as fake antivirus software)

http://tska.exofire.net/go.php?sid=2&tds-k=best%20masturbation (not currently loading for me; clearly another redirector)

http://www.myspnace.com/754/j24613.html (a URL that looks at the user agent of the browser; if it’s a Windows browser, it redirects to http://www.2trades.com/ and downloads the Windows W32/Zlob malware, if it’s a Mac browser, it redirects to http://www.mac-videos.com/ and downloads the Macintosh DNSchanger malware)


The key to this whole network is wholostkate.com. Here’s what Whois has to say:

whois wholostkate.com

Whois Server Version 2.0

Domain Name: WHOLOSTKATE.COM
Registrar: CENTROHOST CLOSED JOINT STOCK COMPANY
Whois Server: whois.centrohost.ru
Referral URL: http://centrohost.ru
Name Server: NS1.HC.RU
Name Server: NS2.HC.RU
Status: clientRenewProhibited
Updated Date: 12-may-2009
Creation Date: 09-mar-2009
Expiration Date: 09-mar-2010

domain: WHOLOSTKATE.COM
nserver: NS1.HC.RU
nserver: NS2.HC.RU
nic-hdl: HOSTINGCNT-ORG-CTH

Registrant contact :
Ltd. Hosting-Center
Litovskii bulvar, d.22
Phone: +7 495 5445566
Fax: +7 495 5140957
E-mail: domain@hc.ru

Billing contact :
Molchanov Sergei Aleksandrovich
119334, RF, Moskva, 5-i Donskoi proezd, d. 15, str. 4
Phone: +7 495 5445566

Technical contact :
CENTROHOST CJSC
Alexander Panov
15/4 5th Donskoi Proezd
Moscow 119334
RU
Phone: +7.4955439101


The site at datingactionnow.com is using privacy protection on the whois.

whois datingactionnow.com

Whois Server Version 2.0

Domain Name: DATINGACTIONNOW.COM
Registrar: ENOM, INC.
Whois Server: whois.enom.com
Referral URL: http://www.enom.com
Name Server: NS100.DATINGACTIONNOW.COM
Name Server: NS101.DATINGACTIONNOW.COM
Status: clientTransferProhibited
Updated Date: 15-may-2009
Creation Date: 02-jan-2007
Expiration Date: 02-jan-2010

Domain name: datingactionnow.com

Registrant Contact:
Whois Privacy Protection Service, Inc.
Whois Agent ()

Fax:
PMB 368, 14150 NE 20th St – F1
C/O datingactionnow.com
Bellevue, WA 98007
US

Name Servers:
ns100.datingactionnow.com
ns101.datingactionnow.com

Creation date: 02 Jan 2007 22:23:41
Expiration date: 02 Jan 2010 22:23:41


xxxblackbook.com, the site that users are redirected to from datingactionnow.com, is a run-of-the-mill pay for play adult dating site that is probably not directly involved in hacking; at best, they most likely simply turn a blind eye to people who use these techniques to get traffic to them. When someone is directed to xxxblackbook.com by these unethical means and then signs up, the hackers get a kickback, which strongly, strongly implies that xxxblackbook.com has a way to reach the hackers responsible for these attacks (else the hackers couldn’t get paid).

On my Mac, datingactionnow.com/getlaidtonight/ doesn’t attempt to download any malware–it simply presents a bunch of pictures that redirect to xxxblackbook.com. However, it refuses to return anything at all–not even an empty HTML file–to wget, which leads me to the suspicion that it could possibly be testing for browser vulnerabilities server-side before it does anything. Therefore, I’m not ready to say that datingactionnow.com doesn’t download any malware; only that it doesn’t download any malware to my Mac.

The fact that the Zlob gang is becoming more sophisticated in their detection of Macs (in the past, they have used simple redirection scripts to download Mac malware rather than Windows malware when they see a Mac user agent, but now they are using some redirectors which will redirect to entirely different servers based on Mac or Windows user agents) worries me.

Edited to add: Many, but not all, of the hacked sites also have invisible iFrames placed on them which load content from http://microsotf.cn/ or http://updatedate.cn/.

The first isn’t resolving for me at the moment. The second is, but returns a blank page when loaded directly; again, it’s probably checking the browser for exploits and attempting to download malware in the background.

72 thoughts on “Another day, another massive Web hack by the Zlob gang

    • Yeah, I saw that! Pretty embarrassing for ImageShack, though to be fair their security has always kinda sucked. Me, I don’t use image-hosting services; I keep my images on my own server. 🙂

  1. Yeah, I saw that! Pretty embarrassing for ImageShack, though to be fair their security has always kinda sucked. Me, I don’t use image-hosting services; I keep my images on my own server. 🙂

  2. On the Mac, you’re pretty well protected by the operating system itself. As with Safari, it runs in user space and you can’t become infected with malware downloaded by the browser unless you type in an administrator password.

    The Mac DNSchanger malware relies on social engineering rather than browser exploits. If you stumble across a hacked Web site that redirects you to a DNSchanger download site, it’ll download a .dmg file and then run an installer which requires your Administrator password. The site will try to convince you that the download package is a movie player CODEC, to trick naive users into entering their passwords, but if you don’t enter it you ain’t infected.

  3. On the Mac, you’re pretty well protected by the operating system itself. As with Safari, it runs in user space and you can’t become infected with malware downloaded by the browser unless you type in an administrator password.

    The Mac DNSchanger malware relies on social engineering rather than browser exploits. If you stumble across a hacked Web site that redirects you to a DNSchanger download site, it’ll download a .dmg file and then run an installer which requires your Administrator password. The site will try to convince you that the download package is a movie player CODEC, to trick naive users into entering their passwords, but if you don’t enter it you ain’t infected.

  4. Surprisingly, we didn’t find any either when the bet happened about porn having been made of every deity in every major pantheon at some point… Well, there was porn of certain members of that pantheon, but not what you’d call Viking porn.

  5. You know, one time when I was fantasizing about a sci-fi scenario (not any particular TV series or movie) I came up with a way that, in theory, would prevent a computer from being infected by any virus ever. Okay, slight exaggeration, someone could still upload one to a computer *in person* provided the terminal was unsecured or they had a password or something, or someone managed to infect the update files for the operating system on the server of the company that provides them (which would again need to be done in person), or someone did something completely retarded which would not be easy for a casual user to figure out and would have no reason to do. But nothing that’s likely to ever happen to an ordinary computer. Otherwise, the worst any malicious program could do is crash and/or corrupt *itself* or fill the hard drive with useless files without having any effect on anything else.

    However, this would require specially designed hardware and an operating system which takes full advantage of that hardware – I seriously doubt any modern system could do what I had in mind, but it should be well within modern capabilities to create such a thing. Or maybe I’m just talking out of my ass; while do have some programming experience and a bit of an idea how computer hardware works, I’m hardly an expert.

  6. You know, one time when I was fantasizing about a sci-fi scenario (not any particular TV series or movie) I came up with a way that, in theory, would prevent a computer from being infected by any virus ever. Okay, slight exaggeration, someone could still upload one to a computer *in person* provided the terminal was unsecured or they had a password or something, or someone managed to infect the update files for the operating system on the server of the company that provides them (which would again need to be done in person), or someone did something completely retarded which would not be easy for a casual user to figure out and would have no reason to do. But nothing that’s likely to ever happen to an ordinary computer. Otherwise, the worst any malicious program could do is crash and/or corrupt *itself* or fill the hard drive with useless files without having any effect on anything else.

    However, this would require specially designed hardware and an operating system which takes full advantage of that hardware – I seriously doubt any modern system could do what I had in mind, but it should be well within modern capabilities to create such a thing. Or maybe I’m just talking out of my ass; while do have some programming experience and a bit of an idea how computer hardware works, I’m hardly an expert.

  7. Okay. Rather than give the full detail (especially since I haven’t entirely worked it out) I’ll explain the thought process that lead up to it and maybe you can see where I’m going with this.

    My original idea would have basically been the ultimate in security measures, but probably impractical for the foreseeable future. Every computer would have custom-fabricated hardware that uses a different set of machine-level codes, and the operating system (windows, linux, whatever) would need to be translated to a particular machine’s set of codes. Beyond that, programs would not be software but rather script or data files which could be run or emulated by certain system programs (such as something like flash player) and limited in strict ways which prevent them from doing much of anything outside themselves. (See the next idea below to get some idea of what I mean by this.) Any malicious software would have to be deliberately run as a system program, which few people would have any reason to try, and even then it would just be garbage if someone weren’t specifically targeting the machine it happened to be on.

    A somewhat more likely idea I had later was to have any non-system program partitioned off from everything else. Each gets their own block of system resources (memory, processor load, etc.) and is not allowed to directly interact with any other program, any memory location not allocated to it, or any data file it did not create by itself, ever. The operating system works on an entirely different access layer (and may even use a different set of machine coding, though that’s probably not necessary) and primarily serves as a conduit for hardware access.

    Though I just figured out a few ways that it’s not entirely foolproof. Assuming near-unlimited hardware access, someone could write a program which says “hey! gimme yer social security number!” and sends it over the internet to identity thieves if someone is stupid enough to type it in the input box. Or a program which accesses your printer in order to waste all of your paper and ink. Or a program which detects whether or not you have hooked up a death laser to your computer and then uses it to blow up your house. But whichever way, you still need to deliberately run the program first. It also won’t stop phishing scams or the like, but that’s not technically a form of virus.

  8. Okay. Rather than give the full detail (especially since I haven’t entirely worked it out) I’ll explain the thought process that lead up to it and maybe you can see where I’m going with this.

    My original idea would have basically been the ultimate in security measures, but probably impractical for the foreseeable future. Every computer would have custom-fabricated hardware that uses a different set of machine-level codes, and the operating system (windows, linux, whatever) would need to be translated to a particular machine’s set of codes. Beyond that, programs would not be software but rather script or data files which could be run or emulated by certain system programs (such as something like flash player) and limited in strict ways which prevent them from doing much of anything outside themselves. (See the next idea below to get some idea of what I mean by this.) Any malicious software would have to be deliberately run as a system program, which few people would have any reason to try, and even then it would just be garbage if someone weren’t specifically targeting the machine it happened to be on.

    A somewhat more likely idea I had later was to have any non-system program partitioned off from everything else. Each gets their own block of system resources (memory, processor load, etc.) and is not allowed to directly interact with any other program, any memory location not allocated to it, or any data file it did not create by itself, ever. The operating system works on an entirely different access layer (and may even use a different set of machine coding, though that’s probably not necessary) and primarily serves as a conduit for hardware access.

    Though I just figured out a few ways that it’s not entirely foolproof. Assuming near-unlimited hardware access, someone could write a program which says “hey! gimme yer social security number!” and sends it over the internet to identity thieves if someone is stupid enough to type it in the input box. Or a program which accesses your printer in order to waste all of your paper and ink. Or a program which detects whether or not you have hooked up a death laser to your computer and then uses it to blow up your house. But whichever way, you still need to deliberately run the program first. It also won’t stop phishing scams or the like, but that’s not technically a form of virus.

  9. …and some people even point to the fact that the non-religious are less obsessed with sex than the religious as proof that those without religion are less moral.

    I…

    People are weird.

    I mean, I read and experience weird shit, so it’s not like I am perpetually taken aback or anything, but bwa, I don’t even, and other memetic indications that I cannot process this information.

  10. …and some people even point to the fact that the non-religious are less obsessed with sex than the religious as proof that those without religion are less moral.

    I…

    People are weird.

    I mean, I read and experience weird shit, so it’s not like I am perpetually taken aback or anything, but bwa, I don’t even, and other memetic indications that I cannot process this information.

  11. Re: Atom Pearls

    FYI, Sadly, they haven’t made Atom Pearls for about half a century. There exists a product called Sprite Bombs that comes close. They’re gray pea-sized orbs, not covered in a gold shell, and are a bit like a de-fanged version. They come in a blister pack (like certain kinds of gum or pills), and make sparks when they explode. Better than “bang snaps,” but not as explosive as Atom Pearls.

  12. Re: Atom Pearls

    FYI, Sadly, they haven’t made Atom Pearls for about half a century. There exists a product called Sprite Bombs that comes close. They’re gray pea-sized orbs, not covered in a gold shell, and are a bit like a de-fanged version. They come in a blister pack (like certain kinds of gum or pills), and make sparks when they explode. Better than “bang snaps,” but not as explosive as Atom Pearls.

  13. I have so much love for you.

    Thank you.

    Your internets will be arriving by pony express once we figure out how to get the really sparkly shoes on their hooves.

  14. I have so much love for you.

    Thank you.

    Your internets will be arriving by pony express once we figure out how to get the really sparkly shoes on their hooves.

  15. this comment is delayed but i’ve got to say, this post is great. hilariously written. was wondering about the post-dry catsuit procedures as well though. there were no zippers added at all? wouldnt literally pulling it off stretch it, or, at least, be extremely difficult?

  16. this comment is delayed but i’ve got to say, this post is great. hilariously written. was wondering about the post-dry catsuit procedures as well though. there were no zippers added at all? wouldnt literally pulling it off stretch it, or, at least, be extremely difficult?

  17. I have an 18000BTU “through the wall” air-con in my dining room. Which has decided to ice up after 30 minutes use.

    So now I need to find a replacement that fits into the existing hole. Given they weigh over 100lbs each and the hole is 6′ above the floor I think I’m gonna pay someone to solve this problem!

  18. I have an 18000BTU “through the wall” air-con in my dining room. Which has decided to ice up after 30 minutes use.

    So now I need to find a replacement that fits into the existing hole. Given they weigh over 100lbs each and the hole is 6′ above the floor I think I’m gonna pay someone to solve this problem!

  19. I’m wandering through from AAG’s blog, and I wanted to let you know I like and agree wholeheartedly with your post!

  20. I’m wandering through from AAG’s blog, and I wanted to let you know I like and agree wholeheartedly with your post!

  21. I had a boyfriend (whom I loved dearly) who needed to go out nearly every night and do something, or he felt bored and restless. He was a totally social creature. I am an introverted homebody, and am happiest curled on the couch watching a movie together or playing video games…
    We were able to compromise for a little while, with him only going out 3 or 4 nights a week, and staying home with me the others… but eventually, I wanted him home more, and he wanted me out more, and both felt hurt because we couldn’t change the core of our being for the other…

    yeah, sometimes no matter how much you love someone, it can’t work. Now, years later, we are wonderful friends, and both happy that way.
    My guy now likes to cuddle on the couch, it’s awesome

  22. I had a boyfriend (whom I loved dearly) who needed to go out nearly every night and do something, or he felt bored and restless. He was a totally social creature. I am an introverted homebody, and am happiest curled on the couch watching a movie together or playing video games…
    We were able to compromise for a little while, with him only going out 3 or 4 nights a week, and staying home with me the others… but eventually, I wanted him home more, and he wanted me out more, and both felt hurt because we couldn’t change the core of our being for the other…

    yeah, sometimes no matter how much you love someone, it can’t work. Now, years later, we are wonderful friends, and both happy that way.
    My guy now likes to cuddle on the couch, it’s awesome

  23. dont bother hosting through ipowerweb they dont care

    i have hosted my domain through ipower since 2003 and just last year found out my site was ‘hacked’. i never did see anything wrong with my site but apparently it was submitted to google by default since it is hosted by ipower.

    they dropped the ‘ipowerweb’ moniker and changed to ‘ipower’ a few years back and as far as i can tell nothing else has changed. i asked them to clean my site and clear it out of the google alerts code and they still have done absolutely nothing about the problem. every time i go to my site it still shows up with an ‘attack site’ warning in the browsers security code via the dns lookup. apparently any site hosted by ipower now gets this by default and every user has to click through to the link that says take me there anyway regardless of the security risk even if the site has never been compromised.

    just dont bother with ipower. forget them. i would change my web site registrar but i am disabled and only use it for personal use and dont really care about anything right now. if you are dying does anything really matter any more? i am probably their only ‘loyal’ customer!

  24. dont bother hosting through ipowerweb they dont care

    i have hosted my domain through ipower since 2003 and just last year found out my site was ‘hacked’. i never did see anything wrong with my site but apparently it was submitted to google by default since it is hosted by ipower.

    they dropped the ‘ipowerweb’ moniker and changed to ‘ipower’ a few years back and as far as i can tell nothing else has changed. i asked them to clean my site and clear it out of the google alerts code and they still have done absolutely nothing about the problem. every time i go to my site it still shows up with an ‘attack site’ warning in the browsers security code via the dns lookup. apparently any site hosted by ipower now gets this by default and every user has to click through to the link that says take me there anyway regardless of the security risk even if the site has never been compromised.

    just dont bother with ipower. forget them. i would change my web site registrar but i am disabled and only use it for personal use and dont really care about anything right now. if you are dying does anything really matter any more? i am probably their only ‘loyal’ customer!

  25. I should share this with my girlfriend, she’s new to poly and struggling with the “short leash” concept a bit.

  26. I should share this with my girlfriend, she’s new to poly and struggling with the “short leash” concept a bit.

  27. Adding To The Mix: Intimacies

    different people express love and affection in different ways

    Your 3rd extra aka 8th language o’ love brings up what, to me, matters just as much as – if not more than – expressions o’ love & affection: shared intimacies. Sharing intimacies & being intimate (close, trusting, open/vulnerable, yourself) – all this is a big part o’ what’s good ’bout love/caring to me.

    Along w/the trad’l (or at least oft-listed 😉 four (4) intimacies: SEIP (Spiritual – I’m still trying to figure out what this means…but think when I’m out in Nature w/a love this is the closest I get to it, Emotional, Intellectual, Physical), there’re different intimacies shared in problem-solving, crisis (surviving and dealing with), creation (your 1st extra/#4), and s’more I’ve forgotten.

    That being said, it seems as if your “Creating together” (#4/your 1st extra) could be lumped under “Quality time,” as it describes at least one aspect/example of what quality time is for you. Breaking it out as a separate one shows how incredibly important it is for/to you.

  28. Adding To The Mix: Intimacies

    different people express love and affection in different ways

    Your 3rd extra aka 8th language o’ love brings up what, to me, matters just as much as – if not more than – expressions o’ love & affection: shared intimacies. Sharing intimacies & being intimate (close, trusting, open/vulnerable, yourself) – all this is a big part o’ what’s good ’bout love/caring to me.

    Along w/the trad’l (or at least oft-listed 😉 four (4) intimacies: SEIP (Spiritual – I’m still trying to figure out what this means…but think when I’m out in Nature w/a love this is the closest I get to it, Emotional, Intellectual, Physical), there’re different intimacies shared in problem-solving, crisis (surviving and dealing with), creation (your 1st extra/#4), and s’more I’ve forgotten.

    That being said, it seems as if your “Creating together” (#4/your 1st extra) could be lumped under “Quality time,” as it describes at least one aspect/example of what quality time is for you. Breaking it out as a separate one shows how incredibly important it is for/to you.

  29. Galileo’s Venus phase observations

    To be fair, science did not have these rules at the time Galileo published his findings about Venus going through phases, like our moon. His conclusions were sound if not “scientific”. I think a lot of progress toward these rules were made as a result of his “direct action”.

  30. Galileo’s Venus phase observations

    To be fair, science did not have these rules at the time Galileo published his findings about Venus going through phases, like our moon. His conclusions were sound if not “scientific”. I think a lot of progress toward these rules were made as a result of his “direct action”.

  31. Wow, what a cool project! I’m currently using a TIP120 transistor as my motor driver because as it turns out, small sex toys use about 6 watts of power (3v at 2 amps nominal, found that out the hard way when I let the magic blue smoke out of a very early prototype Symphony unit). Will the device you’re working on be able to cope with motors that draw that much current?

  32. Wow, what a cool project! I’m currently using a TIP120 transistor as my motor driver because as it turns out, small sex toys use about 6 watts of power (3v at 2 amps nominal, found that out the hard way when I let the magic blue smoke out of a very early prototype Symphony unit). Will the device you’re working on be able to cope with motors that draw that much current?

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  35. For me it was Wrath of Khan, age 8. I think my parents thought it would be slow and intellectual like the first Star Trek. Never gave me nightmares, but it changed me forever.

  36. For me it was Wrath of Khan, age 8. I think my parents thought it would be slow and intellectual like the first Star Trek. Never gave me nightmares, but it changed me forever.

  37. Do what I do. I put it out there right at the start. I have a longterm, long-distance partner, and she basically cheers from the sidelines when I tell her about new possible sweeties. But yeah. If they aren’t down with poly and the fact I have a partner,they’re not for me and there’s no point to wasting my time.

  38. Do what I do. I put it out there right at the start. I have a longterm, long-distance partner, and she basically cheers from the sidelines when I tell her about new possible sweeties. But yeah. If they aren’t down with poly and the fact I have a partner,they’re not for me and there’s no point to wasting my time.

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